Point #1: Is it wrong to want something--some item or experience? For instance, is it wrong to want a new book to read, or a new CD to listen to, or even some candy or a plate of good food? While I can think of times and situations where ONLY wanting some item and voicing that desire might be a bad thing (Dad, will you please take me to the hospitalmy heads bleeding and Im getting light-headed
Yes, Son, but I WANT to see that last goal again in slow-motion, so hang on for a few minutes
), Im not sure that I can endorse an ultra-ascetic life which promotes the denial of any kind of desire. In my book, to want something is not inherently bad or evil, though I also think its a good idea to monitor our wants and what it may cost us (and the world) to get them.
Point #2: Is it wrong to give something to someonesome item or opportunity? For instance, is it wrong to give someone a new book to read, or a new CD to listen to, or even some candy or a plate of good food? While I can think of times and situations where such a deed might be a bad thing (Dad, my teacher said hemlock is poison, so should I drink this hemlock punch youve given me
? Yes, Son, youre teacher is a liar and an idiot, so drink up
), Im not sure that I can honestly criticize someone for wanting to spend some of their livelihood on someone elses interests and well-being. In my book, to want to give something to someone with their happiness and prosperity at heart is the very definition of goodness in our world, or very close to it, as long as the cost of doing so is not too high.
Consideration: So, western culture creates a "holiday" on which it is a tradition to indulge in the two aforementioned activities: wanting something, and giving something that is wanted. No matter the initial basis for naming and scheduling such a day on the calendar, no matter the inclusion or exclusion of religious symbolism and spiritual iconology, no matter the adherence to traditional or cultural activities that many folks historically attach to any scheduled holiday of givingwhat the hell is wrong with having a day in which people give and get presents? So what if Jesus isnt behind and inside every thought of a person who is giving a present to someone and getting some gift in return? So what if "Jesus" is?! The very act of giving to another and graciously receiving from someone else is, in my opinion, a very good thing, provided that such activities arent coming at too great a cost. And, no matter how much I wrack my brains and flip through pages, I don't recall any divine being in the New Testament saying, "Thou shalt call this particular day of the year after the name of 'Christ' and do on it only those things that remind you of 'Him.'" Nor do I remember/find anything that says, "Blessed are they who keep 'Christ' in 'Christmas.'" Where did all this hubbub come from?
Conclusion: Frankly, I just roll my eyes at people who rant about this whole theyve-taken-Christ'-out-of-Christmas! thing, saying that people are so lost and terrible and selfish. Selfish? Really? On a day they are thinking about what others would like or need as a gift, were calling it selfish?

I know a little about how the holiday of Christmas came about, and Ive read the New Testament a few times, and in all of this Ive never been impressed that any God or Godlike being really cared that much about people giving presents to each other on December 25th. I
have been impressed that such a divine being may be hurt/offended by someone being mean or cruel to another person on December 25th, but not more offended by it on that day than on any other day of the year. Good Lord, if the World sets up a tradition to give gifts on one day of the year, I say more power to it/them/us, Christ in Christmas or not! If religious folks want to complain about something, complain about evils of the world like intolerance and hatredthings that really hurt others, not just on one day of the year, but all year 'round. But making a big deal out of theyve taken Christ out of Christmas? seems pretty damn silly to me, especially when, as I understand it, any Christ-like being would, in truth, praise the practice of giving a gift to another at his personal expense, from a BB-gun to a doll to a piece of candy or a bottle of champagne.
Those are my thoughts on the matter. And, whatever anyone makes of this day, December 25th, I hope its a good and enjoyable 24 hours for you and all you care about.

PS. "Bare Necessities" will resume in a couple more days.

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That is a very well stated opinion, its very eloquent in its construction. I especially like your opinion about caring 364 days out of the year.
I do not have much affinity for advertisers anyway, and when this time of year comes around I especially hate them. Advertisers and jewlers. I was so disgusted this year that I decided to make art in the form of Christmas cards and give those to my friends and family. I did not spend a single penny on anybody. The cards were constructed of grocery paper bags, cardboard, glue, and staples. I glue artwork on the inside of the cards and drew drawings on the outside.
My friends and family absolutely loved my gift this. So I've decided other than my tiny nieces I am never, ever, going to buy another Christmas gift at retailers. For now on I am drawing and making gifts for my friends and family. They appreciate them a lot more anyway.
Christmas has evolved into one big giant commercial endeavor, and I have no desire to make corporations richer. I'd rather keep my hard earned money and give a gift that I created from my heart and talent.
Besides I'm an atheist anyway. However I love that Christmas song Oh Holy Night and Little Drummer Boy.
2. Unless you're an idiot or an arsehole (and there's plenty of those two groups of people in the world), then I can see little wrong with giving. How can saying that someone is more important to you than the material worth of the gift be a bad thing. There are ways that giving can become a bad thing, but those are problems with the giver (and occasionally the receiver), not the concept of giving. Besides, giving could be seen as a display of the VIRTUE of charity.
Note: Christmas is the Christianisation of the Roman festival of Saturnalia (invoking the blessings of the god Saturn in a group of rituals and events that did include the exchange of gifts between loved ones, consumption of large amounts of alcohol and a period of time where the slaves and servants were legally allowed to refuse to work), which may in turn have been based on old cletic, gaulic and germanic solstice rituals (also involving gifts, booze and no work). The holiday of Christmas was more of a PR stunt by the church not long after it was formed than a fully christian idea.
Hope your Christmas and New Years are happy and pleasant mate.
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It's strange because I dislike organized religion, though at times I must acknowledge their communal values, but I feel that moderate Christians get a lot of crap because of their more orthodox brethren. I'll poke fun at the religion one day and the next day roll my eyes at some political correctness stunt aimed at a nativity scene or something. But hey, I know that news companies focus on negatives and that the vast majority of the world is moderate either religiously or anti-religiously, so it doesn't bother me too much.
In conclusion, I don't think "keep Christ in Christmas" is GENERALLY anything more than an innocent reminder in the face of commercialization (though of course the more far out there religious types will make it a battle chant). I think it's sort of like remembering Washington on Presidents Day, though obviously this day has a bit more publicity.[link]
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It just reminded me exactly of what my family is like at Christmas, just relaxed and having a laugh and no stress, just playing games and joking around.
When we can't be with your own family it's cool that we can spend time with someone elses family, and just be accepted, and treated as if we are just part of their family - even tho I've only met most of them a couple of times over the years.
I left at midnight because I had a long walk home, but I still didn't feel like I'd outstayed my welcome.
I'd never really appreciated how much I miss getting together with all of my extended family at this time of year.
If there's any real point to that it's probably this: whether you believe in God, or commercialism or not, it's spending time with your family that matters. And if you don't get on with yours, and think that's a load of rubbish, try living twelve thousand miles away from them all for nearly a decade...
much love to the Payne family for taking us in.
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That is the at times the spirit or intent if you will of the holiday at times seems to get lost on some.
People fight for parking spots or cuss out workers because an item is gone from the store shelves.
I would disagree with you on the idea that giving a gift is good in and of itself if it lacks a reason for the giving. The thought of giving a gift, a donation or even a random act of kindness if done so in the spirit of love towards our fellow man, no matter what the holiday is or religion it is part of is then indeed a precious gift. Now if we as humans could only try to make everyday like that...
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